hh....please help

Originally Posted by USCanuck

So then, what is the right amount to bet on the flop?

If turn is a brick, what amount is the right amount to bet on the turn?
If turn is the third suit, what do you do? Bet for information? Assume that you don't have a suit in the pocket.

If turn is a brick and the river is a suit, what do you do?

I had this exact situation last night. Except I bet bigger preflop, and went all in on the flop but A7cl still called, and of course, hit on the turn.

I'd bet about the pot. I generally don't over bet the pot unless it has a purpose - namely - I want a call - or a pot bet commits me to the pot enough that I might as well just move all in.

Then if I have A7c, I'd be pushing it all in.

And if I had QQ, I'd be calling.

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If the A7c did not move all in - it would really depend on my read on the guy. I generally don't give someone credit for hitting a flush when I am heads up, but if I suspected he was on a draw, I might.

If he cold called, I'd have to stop and think about what he could call with. If turn brings another club, I have to figure I am way ahead, or way behind, so I might check.

[win diesel]

Originally Posted by lawfi5h

Here is my 2 cents on this particular hand. While he shouldnt give you crap for not betting enough...what can you bet that "isn't enough". Given that the flop only makes you a 56/44 favorite, he gets odds for anything you can throw at him - short of maybe moving AI right away, which is just betting scared.

This is one of those hands where both players played it as well as they can, and the coin landed on heads instead of gator. The ONLY thing you could have done different is to check raise, which I hate here. You were the preflop aggressor, and a really don't like that move. However, it signals a lot of strength, so who knows, maybe he lays it down.

But to answer your question....how can he push like that on the flop? Easy. I would do the same. It's a semi bluff, and he has TONS of outs with 2 chances to draw to them. He has enough folding equity to make it so that he will win more than 50% of the time there.

That bet by gator usuually signifies an overpair. He/She is basically saying they are playing for the rest of their chips.

Flop bet should be enough to protect the hand. I lay it down. Most likely I am the underdog and its early in the SNG so I don't like to get all my money in with the worst of it.

Originally Posted by win diesel

That bet by gator usuually signifies an overpair. He/She is basically saying they are playing for the rest of their chips.

Flop bet should be enough to protect the hand. I lay it down. Most likely I am the underdog and its early in the SNG so I don't like to get all my money in with the worst of it.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the flop play of the A7c. He is getting odds to call, so I can understand his thinking of making the semi bluff there and just deciding to push it all in.

[Triangle Man]

I typically check the flop and push if the third club doesn't come on the turn. It gives the draw worse odds to call, and it looks more like a bluff.

[IMP]

Originally Posted by win diesel

That bet by gator usuually signifies an overpair. He/She is basically saying they are playing for the rest of their chips.

Flop bet should be enough to protect the hand. I lay it down. Most likely I am the underdog and its early in the SNG so I don't like to get all my money in with the worst of it.

notice tho that i called it. and was ahead.
in the second hand i posted, i was ahead. still cant figure out an all in call with Q2s.
in the third hand i mentioned at the end, i actually hit a set, pushed, and was ahead. he called with his flush draw and amazingly, he didn't hit.

how do you lay it down when you really beleive you are ahead?

Originally Posted by I MUST PASS

how do you lay it down when you really beleive you are ahead?

If you are ahead, you shouldn't be laying it down.

[IMP]

Originally Posted by lawfi5h

If you are ahead, you shouldn't be laying it down.

right. i dont. and i still lose. hence...my frustration.

[win diesel]

Originally Posted by lawfi5h

If you are ahead, you shouldn't be laying it down.

I never said for you (the holder of QQ) to lay it down. The Ac7c clubs guy played that hand badly.

Bet of pot, or overbet is fine play. Caller (raiser) made a mistake. Theoretically in the long run you gain. Just here you were unlucky.

[Not Mike]

Originally Posted by win diesel

That bet by gator usuually signifies an overpair. He/She is basically saying they are playing for the rest of their chips.

Flop bet should be enough to protect the hand. I lay it down. Most likely I am the underdog and its early in the SNG so I don't like to get all my money in with the worst of it.

I'm with you, I lay it down (or sometimes call) with the flush draw there. The raise AI KNOWING I'm behind, and KNOWING I'm getting a call? No thanks. And no way can I count my As as outs because AA or a set is protecting just like TT.

For awhile, I had really loosened up my early game in an attempt to "build a stack early"... I'd play T9 in position, flop the straight draw and lose 1/3 of my stack chasing the big score.

Recently, I've gotten "back to basics".... premium hands and aggressive. The other night, I played all of one hand in the first three levels, then push AI three times in a row on level 3, had AA the 3rd time and went from about 550 chips to 1,700 and in a really good spot. I definitely agree with those that say stop playing the marginal hands, and that include Axs.

Originally Posted by Not Mike

I'm with you, I lay it down (or sometimes call) with the flush draw there. The raise AI KNOWING I'm behind, and KNOWING I'm getting a call? No thanks. And no way can I count my As as outs because AA or a set is protecting just like TT.

For awhile, I had really loosened up my early game in an attempt to "build a stack early"... I'd play T9 in position, flop the straight draw and lose 1/3 of my stack chasing the big score.

Recently, I've gotten "back to basics".... premium hands and aggressive. The other night, I played all of one hand in the first three levels, then push AI three times in a row on level 3, had AA the 3rd time and went from about 550 chips to 1,700 and in a really good spot. I definitely agree with those that say stop playing the marginal hands, and that include Axs.

That's just it. You have to know you are getting a call. If you can get 6% of players to fold there with their pair, you will win more than 50% of the time.