greatest comeback :)

[freeman]

*********** # 53 **************
PokerStars Game #2363087975: Tournament #11433941, Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) -
2005/08/17 - 22:37:47 (ET)
Table '11433941 1' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Duriel0527 (1350 in chips)
Seat 2: freeman (25 in chips)
Seat 3: Dunseth (1485 in chips)
Seat 4: gloierm (3285 in chips)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (2085 in chips)
Seat 7: Fillerup (1690 in chips)
Seat 8: jaiden10 (3580 in chips)
Duriel0527: posts the ante 25
freeman: posts the ante 25 and is all-in
Dunseth: posts the ante 25
gloierm: posts the ante 25
VarmentKillr: posts the ante 25
Fillerup: posts the ante 25
jaiden10: posts the ante 25
gloierm: posts small blind 100
VarmentKillr: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to freeman [8c 8d]
Fillerup: folds
jaiden10: folds
Duriel0527: folds
Dunseth: folds
gloierm: calls 100
VarmentKillr: checks
*** FLOP *** [2h 5d 5c]
gloierm: checks
VarmentKillr: checks
*** TURN *** [2h 5d 5c] [5h]
gloierm: checks
VarmentKillr: checks
*** RIVER *** [2h 5d 5c 5h] [4h]
gloierm: checks
VarmentKillr: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gloierm: shows [9s Th] (three of a kind, Fives)
VarmentKillr: shows [Js 7c] (three of a kind, Fives - Jack kicker)
VarmentKillr collected 400 from side pot
freeman: shows [8c 8d] (a full house, Fives full of Eights)
freeman collected 175 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 575 Main pot 175. Side pot 400. | Rake 0
Board [2h 5d 5c 5h 4h]
Seat 1: Duriel0527 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: freeman showed [8c 8d] and won (175) with a full house, Fives full of Eights
Seat 3: Dunseth (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: gloierm (small blind) showed [9s Th] and lost with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (big blind) showed [Js 7c] and won (400) with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 7: Fillerup folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: jaiden10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 54 **************
PokerStars Game #2363093394: Tournament #11433941, Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) -
2005/08/17 - 22:38:21 (ET)
Table '11433941 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Duriel0527 (1325 in chips)
Seat 2: freeman (175 in chips)
Seat 3: Dunseth (1460 in chips)
Seat 4: gloierm (3060 in chips)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (2260 in chips)
Seat 7: Fillerup (1665 in chips)
Seat 8: jaiden10 (3555 in chips)
Duriel0527: posts the ante 25
freeman: posts the ante 25
Dunseth: posts the ante 25
gloierm: posts the ante 25
VarmentKillr: posts the ante 25
Fillerup: posts the ante 25
jaiden10: posts the ante 25
VarmentKillr: posts small blind 100
Fillerup: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to freeman [9d 3c]
jaiden10: folds
Duriel0527: folds
freeman: folds
Dunseth: folds
gloierm: folds
VarmentKillr: calls 100
Fillerup: raises 1440 to 1640 and is all-in
VarmentKillr: folds
Fillerup collected 575 from pot
Fillerup: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 575 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Duriel0527 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: freeman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Dunseth folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: gloierm (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Fillerup (big blind) collected (575)
Seat 8: jaiden10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 55 **************
PokerStars Game #2363096623: Tournament #11433941, Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) -
2005/08/17 - 22:38:41 (ET)
Table '11433941 1' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Duriel0527 (1300 in chips)
Seat 2: freeman (150 in chips)
Seat 3: Dunseth (1435 in chips)
Seat 4: gloierm (3035 in chips)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (2035 in chips)
Seat 7: Fillerup (2015 in chips)
Seat 8: jaiden10 (3530 in chips)
Duriel0527: posts the ante 25
freeman: posts the ante 25
Dunseth: posts the ante 25
gloierm: posts the ante 25
VarmentKillr: posts the ante 25
Fillerup: posts the ante 25
jaiden10: posts the ante 25
Fillerup: posts small blind 100
jaiden10: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to freeman [8h Jd]
Duriel0527: folds
freeman: folds
Dunseth: folds
gloierm: raises 400 to 600
VarmentKillr: folds
Fillerup: folds
jaiden10: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [4h 2h Qd]
jaiden10: checks
gloierm: bets 700
jaiden10: folds
gloierm collected 1475 from pot
gloierm: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1475 | Rake 0
Board [4h 2h Qd]
Seat 1: Duriel0527 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: freeman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Dunseth folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: gloierm collected (1475)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Fillerup (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: jaiden10 (big blind) folded on the Flop

*********** # 56 **************
PokerStars Game #2363101615: Tournament #11433941, Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) -
2005/08/17 - 22:39:12 (ET)
Table '11433941 1' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Duriel0527 (1275 in chips)
Seat 2: freeman (125 in chips)
Seat 3: Dunseth (1410 in chips)
Seat 4: gloierm (3885 in chips)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (2010 in chips)
Seat 7: Fillerup (1890 in chips)
Seat 8: jaiden10 (2905 in chips)
Duriel0527: posts the ante 25
freeman: posts the ante 25
Dunseth: posts the ante 25
gloierm: posts the ante 25
VarmentKillr: posts the ante 25
Fillerup: posts the ante 25
jaiden10: posts the ante 25
jaiden10: posts small blind 100
Duriel0527: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to freeman [Td 9c]
freeman: calls 100 and is all-in
Dunseth: raises 1185 to 1385 and is all-in
gloierm: folds
VarmentKillr: folds
Fillerup: folds
jaiden10: folds
Duriel0527: folds
*** FLOP *** [9s Jh 7c]
*** TURN *** [9s Jh 7c] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [9s Jh 7c Th] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Dunseth: shows [Ad Qd] (a pair of Jacks)
Dunseth collected 200 from side pot
freeman: shows [Td 9c] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
freeman collected 575 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 775 Main pot 575. Side pot 200. | Rake 0
Board [9s Jh 7c Th Js]
Seat 1: Duriel0527 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: freeman showed [Td 9c] and won (575) with two pair, Jacks and Tens
Seat 3: Dunseth showed [Ad Qd] and won (200) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 4: gloierm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Fillerup (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: jaiden10 (small blind) folded before Flop

*********** # 57 **************
PokerStars Game #2363108141: Tournament #11433941, Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) -
2005/08/17 - 22:39:52 (ET)
Table '11433941 1' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Duriel0527 (1050 in chips)
Seat 2: freeman (575 in chips)
Seat 3: Dunseth (1385 in chips)
Seat 4: gloierm (3860 in chips)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (1985 in chips)
Seat 7: Fillerup (1865 in chips)
Seat 8: jaiden10 (2780 in chips)
Duriel0527: posts the ante 25
freeman: posts the ante 25
Dunseth: posts the ante 25
gloierm: posts the ante 25
VarmentKillr: posts the ante 25
Fillerup: posts the ante 25
jaiden10: posts the ante 25
Duriel0527: posts small blind 100
freeman: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to freeman [4d 6c]
Dunseth: folds
gloierm: folds
VarmentKillr: folds
Fillerup: folds
jaiden10: raises 200 to 400
Duriel0527: folds
freeman: folds
jaiden10 collected 675 from pot
jaiden10: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 675 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Duriel0527 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: freeman (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Dunseth folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: gloierm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Fillerup folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: jaiden10 (button) collected (675)

*********** # 58 **************
PokerStars Game #2363111290: Tournament #11433941, Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) -
2005/08/17 - 22:40:12 (ET)
Table '11433941 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Duriel0527 (925 in chips)
Seat 2: freeman (350 in chips)
Seat 3: Dunseth (1360 in chips)
Seat 4: gloierm (3835 in chips)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (1960 in chips)
Seat 7: Fillerup (1840 in chips)
Seat 8: jaiden10 (3230 in chips)
Duriel0527: posts the ante 25
freeman: posts the ante 25
Dunseth: posts the ante 25
gloierm: posts the ante 25
VarmentKillr: posts the ante 25
Fillerup: posts the ante 25
jaiden10: posts the ante 25
freeman: posts small blind 100
Dunseth: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to freeman [2c 7h]
gloierm: folds
VarmentKillr: folds
Fillerup: folds
jaiden10: folds
Duriel0527: raises 700 to 900 and is all-in
freeman: folds
Dunseth: calls 700
*** FLOP *** [4c Qh 8s]
*** TURN *** [4c Qh 8s] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [4c Qh 8s 8h] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Dunseth: shows [Qc Kd] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
Duriel0527: shows [Kh Qd] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
Dunseth collected 1038 from pot
Duriel0527 collected 1037 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2075 | Rake 0
Board [4c Qh 8s 8h 2d]
Seat 1: Duriel0527 (button) showed [Kh Qd] and won (1037) with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 2: freeman (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Dunseth (big blind) showed [Qc Kd] and won (1038) with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 4: gloierm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Fillerup folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: jaiden10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 59 **************
PokerStars Game #2363118378: Tournament #11433941, Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) -
2005/08/17 - 22:40:56 (ET)
Table '11433941 1' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Duriel0527 (1037 in chips)
Seat 2: freeman (225 in chips)
Seat 3: Dunseth (1473 in chips)
Seat 4: gloierm (3810 in chips)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (1935 in chips)
Seat 7: Fillerup (1815 in chips)
Seat 8: jaiden10 (3205 in chips)
Duriel0527: posts the ante 25
freeman: posts the ante 25
Dunseth: posts the ante 25
gloierm: posts the ante 25
VarmentKillr: posts the ante 25
Fillerup: posts the ante 25
jaiden10: posts the ante 25
Dunseth: posts small blind 100
gloierm: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to freeman [9d 9c]
VarmentKillr: folds
Fillerup: folds
jaiden10: folds
Duriel0527: folds
freeman: calls 200 and is all-in
Dunseth: folds
*** FLOP *** [8s Td 8h]
*** TURN *** [8s Td 8h] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [8s Td 8h Qs] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gloierm: shows [7h Ts] (two pair, Tens and Eights)
freeman: shows [9d 9c] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
freeman collected 675 from pot
VarmentKillr said, "unreal"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 675 | Rake 0
Board [8s Td 8h Qs Js]
Seat 1: Duriel0527 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: freeman (button) showed [9d 9c] and won (675) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 3: Dunseth (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: gloierm (big blind) showed [7h Ts] and lost with two pair, Tens and Eights
Seat 5: VarmentKillr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Fillerup folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: jaiden10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 60 **************
PokerStars Game #2363123717: Tournament #11433941, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) -
2005/08/17 - 22:41:30 (ET)
Table '11433941 1' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Duriel0527 (1012 in chips)
Seat 2: freeman (675 in chips)
Seat 3: Dunseth (1348 in chips)
Seat 4: gloierm (3585 in chips)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (1910 in chips)
Seat 7: Fillerup (1790 in chips)
Seat 8: jaiden10 (3180 in chips)
Duriel0527: posts the ante 25
freeman: posts the ante 25
Dunseth: posts the ante 25
gloierm: posts the ante 25
VarmentKillr: posts the ante 25
Fillerup: posts the ante 25
jaiden10: posts the ante 25
gloierm: posts small blind 200
VarmentKillr: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to freeman [7c Qd]
Fillerup: raises 1365 to 1765 and is all-in
jaiden10: folds
Duriel0527: folds
freeman: folds
Dunseth: folds
gloierm: folds
VarmentKillr: folds
Fillerup collected 1175 from pot
Fillerup: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1175 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Duriel0527 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: freeman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Dunseth (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: gloierm (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Fillerup collected (1175)
Seat 8: jaiden10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 61 **************
PokerStars Game #2363127766: Tournament #11433941, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) -
2005/08/17 - 22:41:55 (ET)
Table '11433941 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Duriel0527 (987 in chips)
Seat 2: freeman (650 in chips)
Seat 3: Dunseth (1323 in chips)
Seat 4: gloierm (3360 in chips)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (1485 in chips)
Seat 7: Fillerup (2540 in chips)
Seat 8: jaiden10 (3155 in chips)
Duriel0527: posts the ante 25
freeman: posts the ante 25
Dunseth: posts the ante 25
gloierm: posts the ante 25
VarmentKillr: posts the ante 25
Fillerup: posts the ante 25
jaiden10: posts the ante 25
VarmentKillr: posts small blind 200
Fillerup: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to freeman [4h Tc]
jaiden10: folds
Duriel0527: folds
freeman: folds
Dunseth: raises 898 to 1298 and is all-in
gloierm: folds
VarmentKillr: folds
Fillerup: folds
Dunseth collected 1175 from pot
Dunseth: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1175 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Duriel0527 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: freeman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Dunseth collected (1175)
Seat 4: gloierm (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Fillerup (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: jaiden10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 62 **************
PokerStars Game #2363132368: Tournament #11433941, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) -
2005/08/17 - 22:42:24 (ET)
Table '11433941 1' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Duriel0527 (962 in chips)
Seat 2: freeman (625 in chips)
Seat 3: Dunseth (2073 in chips)
Seat 4: gloierm (3335 in chips)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (1260 in chips)
Seat 7: Fillerup (2115 in chips)
Seat 8: jaiden10 (3130 in chips)
Duriel0527: posts the ante 25
freeman: posts the ante 25
Dunseth: posts the ante 25
gloierm: posts the ante 25
VarmentKillr: posts the ante 25
Fillerup: posts the ante 25
jaiden10: posts the ante 25
Fillerup: posts small blind 200
jaiden10: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to freeman [6h Qh]
Duriel0527: folds
freeman: folds
Dunseth: folds
gloierm: folds
VarmentKillr: folds
Fillerup: folds
jaiden10 collected 575 from pot
jaiden10: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 575 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Duriel0527 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: freeman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Dunseth folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: gloierm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Fillerup (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: jaiden10 (big blind) collected (575)

*********** # 63 **************
PokerStars Game #2363135618: Tournament #11433941, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) -
2005/08/17 - 22:42:45 (ET)
Table '11433941 1' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Duriel0527 (937 in chips)
Seat 2: freeman (600 in chips)
Seat 3: Dunseth (2048 in chips)
Seat 4: gloierm (3310 in chips)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (1235 in chips)
Seat 7: Fillerup (1890 in chips)
Seat 8: jaiden10 (3480 in chips)
Duriel0527: posts the ante 25
freeman: posts the ante 25
Dunseth: posts the ante 25
gloierm: posts the ante 25
VarmentKillr: posts the ante 25
Fillerup: posts the ante 25
jaiden10: posts the ante 25
jaiden10: posts small blind 200
Duriel0527: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to freeman [6s 3d]
freeman: folds
Dunseth: folds
gloierm: folds
VarmentKillr: raises 810 to 1210 and is all-in
Fillerup: folds
jaiden10: folds
Duriel0527: folds
VarmentKillr collected 1175 from pot
VarmentKillr: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1175 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Duriel0527 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: freeman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Dunseth folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: gloierm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr collected (1175)
Seat 7: Fillerup (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: jaiden10 (small blind) folded before Flop

*********** # 64 **************
PokerStars Game #2363139017: Tournament #11433941, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) -
2005/08/17 - 22:43:06 (ET)
Table '11433941 1' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Duriel0527 (512 in chips)
Seat 2: freeman (575 in chips)
Seat 3: Dunseth (2023 in chips)
Seat 4: gloierm (3285 in chips)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (1985 in chips)
Seat 7: Fillerup (1865 in chips)
Seat 8: jaiden10 (3255 in chips)
Duriel0527: posts the ante 25
freeman: posts the ante 25
Dunseth: posts the ante 25
gloierm: posts the ante 25
VarmentKillr: posts the ante 25
Fillerup: posts the ante 25
jaiden10: posts the ante 25
Duriel0527: posts small blind 200
freeman: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to freeman [3d 7d]
Dunseth: folds
gloierm: raises 800 to 1200
VarmentKillr: folds
Fillerup: folds
jaiden10: folds
Duriel0527: calls 287 and is all-in
freeman: calls 150 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [2s 8c 4c]
*** TURN *** [2s 8c 4c] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [2s 8c 4c 7c] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
freeman: shows [3d 7d] (a pair of Sevens)
gloierm: shows [Kd Td] (high card King)
freeman said, "lol"
freeman collected 126 from side pot
Duriel0527: shows [6c 6d] (a pair of Sixes)
freeman collected 1636 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1762 Main pot 1636. Side pot 126. | Rake 0
Board [2s 8c 4c 7c 9s]
Seat 1: Duriel0527 (small blind) showed [6c 6d] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 2: freeman (big blind) showed [3d 7d] and won (1762) with a pair of Sevens
Seat 3: Dunseth folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: gloierm showed [Kd Td] and lost with high card King
Seat 5: VarmentKillr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Fillerup folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: jaiden10 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 65 **************
PokerStars Game #2363144618: Tournament #11433941, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) -
2005/08/17 - 22:43:42 (ET)
Table '11433941 1' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: freeman (1762 in chips)
Seat 3: Dunseth (1998 in chips)
Seat 4: gloierm (2710 in chips)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (1960 in chips)
Seat 7: Fillerup (1840 in chips)
Seat 8: jaiden10 (3230 in chips)
freeman: posts the ante 25
Dunseth: posts the ante 25
gloierm: posts the ante 25
VarmentKillr: posts the ante 25
Fillerup: posts the ante 25
jaiden10: posts the ante 25
Dunseth: posts small blind 200
gloierm: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to freeman [Jd Tc]
VarmentKillr: folds
Fillerup: folds
jaiden10: folds
freeman: raises 1337 to 1737 and is all-in
Dunseth: raises 236 to 1973 and is all-in
gloierm: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kc Qd 4s]
*** TURN *** [Kc Qd 4s] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [Kc Qd 4s 7d] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Dunseth: shows [9s Ah] (high card Ace)
freeman: shows [Jd Tc] (a pair of Jacks)
freeman collected 4024 from pot
VarmentKillr said, "unbeeeeeeleivable"
gloierm said, "freeman, this might be one of the great comebacks of all time"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4024 | Rake 0
Board [Kc Qd 4s 7d Js]
Seat 2: freeman (button) showed [Jd Tc] and won (4024) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 3: Dunseth (small blind) showed [9s Ah] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 4: gloierm (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: VarmentKillr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Fillerup folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: jaiden10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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*********** # 82 **************
PokerStars Game #2363227089: Tournament #11433941, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) -
2005/08/17 - 22:52:28 (ET)
Table '11433941 1' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: freeman (7498 in chips)
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (6002 in chips)
freeman: posts the ante 50
VarmentKillr: posts the ante 50
VarmentKillr: posts small blind 400
freeman: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to freeman [Ad 9h]
VarmentKillr: raises 1600 to 2400
freeman said, "ty, gl to u 2"
freeman: raises 5048 to 7448 and is all-in
VarmentKillr: calls 3552 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [6d 5s 4h]
*** TURN *** [6d 5s 4h] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [6d 5s 4h Ts] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
freeman: shows [Ad 9h] (a pair of Nines)
VarmentKillr: shows [Kh 7d] (high card King)
freeman said, "gg"
freeman collected 12004 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12004 | Rake 0
Board [6d 5s 4h Ts 9c]
Seat 2: freeman (big blind) showed [Ad 9h] and won (12004) with a pair of Nines
Seat 5: VarmentKillr (button) (small blind) showed [Kh 7d] and lost with high card King

[MNBridge]

Well Done!

Notice how often Freeman folded even when he had less than 2 BB left. I've always felt this was the right play, even if it means having to duke it out with your BB and random cards). But the seems to be a concensus here (on the AO) to push when you get low.
P.S. Helmuth also talks about being OK with being 'blinded out' of a tourney.

I personally refuse to push with hands like T7o just because of being worried about being blinded out (Note: Hardinda - This does not mean I NEVER push with T7o or the likes). But I know there have been posts here saying you have to do it. Although maybe I'm out of context.

Thoughts?

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Side note: This is what I mean by the EV is to low using the chip count method.
Note: Freeman was able to 7x his $'s with greater than 7 to 1 odds.

This is an extreme example but I think the logic flows all the way up.

If this post makes no sense see the SnG - EV thread I started (If you care).

http://www.actuary.ca/actuarial_disc...ad.php?t=60519

10,000 / 25 = 400. Would anyone have been willing to give 400 to 1 odds Freeman won't win this when he was at 25? (Assume it's not Freeman for now - would you give ANYONE 400 to 1 here?)
According to the chip count method that's the odds. I say it's WAY off.

[axjoke]

I think pushing is frequently correct, but here the circumstances were not generally right as he either had no fold equity < 2BB or he wasn't going to be the first one in.

[DblDownTrent]

Originally Posted by MNBridge

Well Done!

Notice how often Freeman folded even when he had less than 2 BB left. I've always felt this was the right play, even if it means having to duke it out with your BB and random cards). But the seems to be a concensus here (on the AO) to push when you get low.
P.S. Helmuth also talks about being OK with being 'blinded out' of a tourney.

I personally refuse to push with hands like T7o just because of being worried about being blinded out (Note: Hardinda - This does not mean I NEVER push with T7o or the likes). But I know there have been posts here saying you have to do it. Although maybe I'm out of context.

Thoughts?

He was correct to fold in those situation because he had ZERO FE, and needed a better than average hand to go to battle with.

At the end of a party sng - 3 or 4 handed - you have to shove with less than premium hands (when you still have FE) to stay afloat, or you will end up relying totally on the luck of the cards....

so I think this is a different situation. If I'm at the end of a party sng with 2BBs or less, I'm waiting around as long as I can for a hand.

[BrewCity]

I think we should start our own poker site and allow players to sell their seat during Sng's. For example, MNBridge could calculate the odds and then someone who is down to 25 chips could sell their seat for a quarter or something. It would be better if they had about 200 chips and just wanted to cut losses. In Freeman's tourney that quarter could have been turned into $1000, I think. Lots of suckers would jump into higher tourneys for cheaper prices and have less chips. On the other hand, you could jump out to a huge chip lead and sell your seat and make a quick profit.

[E. Blackadder]

I'd give 399 to 1 odds against a person with 1/400th of the chips actually winning it all, especially if it's late in a tournament.

I'd want to give Harrington on Hold'em (vol #2) to the opponents first.

The reason the chips method is flawed is not because of the chance of winning, it's because the short stack has chances to take 2nd, 3rd, and etc, down to the final payout.

[DblDownTrent]

Originally Posted by DblDownTrent

He was correct to fold in those situation because he had ZERO FE, and needed a better than average hand to go to battle with.

At the end of a party sng - 3 or 4 handed - you have to shove with less than premium hands (when you still have FE) to stay afloat, or you will end up relying totally on the luck of the cards....

so I think this is a different situation. If I'm at the end of a party sng with 2BBs or less, I'm waiting around as long as I can for a hand.

I'll also add that if you suspect others are doing this too, you have to be willing to call with less than premium hands as well...

[MNBridge]

Originally Posted by E. Blackadder

I'd give 399 to 1 odds against a person with 1/400th of the chips actually winning it all, especially if it's late in a tournament.

I'd want to give Harrington on Hold'em (vol #2) to the opponents first.

The reason the chips method is flawed is not because of the chance of winning, it's because the short stack has chances to take 2nd, 3rd, and etc, down to the final payout.

See here's the problem I have with that.

If you look at the hand where Freeman went from 25 to 175 he did not have to beat 6 other players. Therefore his odds of going from 25 to 175 were better than 7 to 1.

Now what odds would you give to win it once he is at 175?

(This is what I'm refering to in the other thread. I think the chip count method (let's assume 1st only for now) is flawed because it assumes that chips are continuously moving in very small increments. That's not true.

For the people that anted and then did not play their 25 chips were gone. Freeman did not have to worry about that.

P.S. May want to hop back to the EV thread to avoid a hijcak :???:

[E. Blackadder]

Originally Posted by MNBridge

See here's the problem I have with that.

If you look at the hand where Freeman went from 25 to 175 he did not have to beat 6 other players. Therefore his odds of going from 25 to 175 were better than 7 to 1.

Since we play bridge together I can say this reasonably: This is... (wait a min-ute) this is... (oh, pooh) ... this is an artifact of asinine "all-in" poker rules.

(recovery follows. Whew!)
In this case, the table played incorrectly. The other players should spontaneously (without cooperation) conspire to push Freeman out by contesting a minimal pot. This situation is discussed in HOH2.

Now I understand the importance of taking someone's last chip.

I propose the following changes to poker when there is at least one side pot.

Terminology:
All-in pot (1) (normally known as the main pot) Consists of all bets placed up to the short stack involved in the pot.
All-in pot (2) (normally known as (one of) the side pot(s). Consists of all bets placed beyond those of the short stack, but not beyond those of the 2nd short stack.
.
.
.
primary pot. = the all-in pot(n) where n-1 is the number of players who are all-in.
etc.


"A player may "mini-all-in-call" when an amount less than a full call will achieve equity of bets in All-in pots(1) through (n). Having done so, the player is treated as "all in" for the rest of the hand, contests for the pots he has equity in, and does not contest otherwise."

Of course a poker lawyer would have fun with this, but I think the idea gets through. I hope so. And there's no logical reason for doing things any other way, except for tradition.

ok.

[douglan]

Originally Posted by E. Blackadder

Of course a poker lawyer would have fun with this