Sex discrimination

[Dr T Non-Fan]

About 3 shots.
Just a guess, based on base circular targets of the various club sizes, and random fluctuation.

[fallout]

Originally Posted by Gandalf

You've made an assertion relative to one particular woman, better than the average woman high school golfer, who may have played a tournament better than her personal average.

What would it be worth, to golfers shooting 75-85ish for a round, to hit from the front tees instead?

Depends on the set up of the course. On some courses the difference could be as little as 2 or 3 strokes. On others the difference could be more than 10. Depends where the difference in distance comes in.

For example a hole being changed from 500 yards to 530 yards makes no big difference as reaching in 2 would be pretty rare. A hole being moved from 180 to 210 would be a major difference.

[Gandalf]

Originally Posted by Dr T Non-Fan

About 3 shots.
Just a guess, based on base circular targets of the various club sizes, and random fluctuation.

Not a very good guess, I'm afraid, based on fallout's superior knowledge of these things. If you subtracted 6 shots for the two rounds from each of the male competitors' scores, she still would have finished tied for sixth.

Fallout asserts, based on facts, that most of them would have beaten her.

[fallout]

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Not a very good guess, I'm afraid, based on fallout's superior knowledge of these things. If you subtracted 6 shots for the two rounds from each of the male competitors' scores, she still would have finished tied for sixth.

Fallout asserts, based on facts, that most of them would have beaten her.

My assertions are based upon my skills and my knowledge of how I play. I was on my highschool and university golf teams and I would play 3 to 10 strokes worse from the back tees then from the front. For me, as I believe I can safely assume for most male high school golfers I have played with, the distance of the holes is not the biggest detriment. We were all pretty long and wild. For most female golfers, the distance of the holes is a much bigger concern. This is where strength comes into play the most. For her the difference between front and back tees would be a much bigger obstacle to overcome.

[Loner]

You have selection issues here too.
Do the REALLY good male golfers play for their high school team, or are they going out to play in club and amateur tournaments? My high school team seemed to be comprised of rather untalented people who needed a sport on their transcript, and judging by the scores in the paper, that was true of a lot of them.

[fallout]

Upon rereading that article the difference in the two sets of tees was 1100 yards! This translates to 2200 yards.

The description of the last hole alone is telling:
On the par-5 18th, which played at 403 yards for her and 548 for the boys.

On a 403 yard hole almost every male in this tournament would expect to be on the green in 2, and from the back tees, maybe one or 2 in the field could do this.

[Gandalf]

Originally Posted by fallout

For most female golfers, the distance of the holes is a much bigger concern. This is where strength comes into play the most. For her the difference between front and back tees would be a much bigger obstacle to overcome.

You did not say most would have beaten her had she played from the back tees.

Originally Posted by fallout

Most of the field would have beaten her from the front tees.

Ready to apologize?

[fallout]

Originally Posted by Loner

You have selection issues here too.
Do the REALLY good male golfers play for their high school team, or are they going out to play in club and amateur tournaments? My high school team seemed to be comprised of rather untalented people who needed a sport on their transcript, and judging by the scores in the paper, that was true of a lot of them.

I got to leave school early 2 days a week to go play golf that was paid for by the school. All the kids in my school that could play a little were fighting to make this team. Why would they not be?

[fallout]

Originally Posted by Gandalf

You did not say most would have beaten her had she played from the back tees.

Ready to apologize?

The percentage that would have beaten her from the back tees is greater than the percentage that would have beaten her from the front tees.

That being said, I stand by my earlier claim that most would have beaten her from the front tees. Not quite as many but still easily greater than 50%.

[Dr T Non-Fan]

In golf, "most would beat" equals at least 1. There is no issue otherwise. Second place is for losers.

Perhaps the state could start a par-3 contest, open to those of both gender. There would be only a slight advantage to the top boys over the top girls, but that can be overcome with good putting and an accurate 5-8 irons.
I still predict that rules for the Boys (or "Open") Championship will be changed to require all participants to hit from the same tees. I predict a Girls Only Championship will also be held, with participants hitting from the pink tees.