Live Play - Showdown

[tesla_styx]

What are the rules for showdown when playing live. Who is expected to show first, and who is obligated to show?

My limited live play experience mostly consists of games with my family, and I admit I don't know the rules for live play well. My dad (and mom) on the other hand (unlike myself) watches those poker shows quite a bit.

My dad seems to always think its his perogative to see everyone else's hand at showdown, regardless of his hand. For example, the board is 99K9Q... he has K6, but doesn't show until he sees everyone else's hand. Or, he'll call small bets down to the river, but on the river make a big raise, my mom will call...and he'll ask to see my mom's hand before he shows his own garbage bluff.

He also seems to think he has the option of showing only part of his hand if he can demonstrate that the one card alone has the opponent beat. Is this allowed in real games?

And my final question: When it is clear that everyone must play the board (eg - ThJsQdKcAd) do players need to show their hands?

[rawl316]

if someone's bet is getting called, they have to show it. Usually if people bluff, they'll just muck and tap the table. From what I understand, if people ask to see still, it's considered bad etiquette.

If it gets checked around, the player to the left of the dealer shows first, and it goes around like that.

And you need to show both cards.

[MountainHawk]

(1) Last player to make an aggressive action (bet or raise) shows down first. Players then can muck, or show going around the table in order.

(2) and (3) are house rules, but the most common are that you have to show 2 cards to win at showdown, and if you want a part of the pot, you have to show.

[tesla_styx]

Originally Posted by rawl316

if someone's bet is getting called, they have to show it. Usually if people bluff, they'll just muck and tap the table. From what I understand, if people ask to see still, it's considered bad etiquette.

So if I am interpreting correctly if I bluff into an opponent and he calls my options are to:

a. show my hand first
b. muck and concede the pot without seeing the opponents cards first (in this case assuming only one opponent remains...is he still obligated to show his hand or not?)

Do pros actually go with option b. when it is possible the opponent actually has worse garbage than the bluffer?

[MountainHawk]

Originally Posted by tesla_styx

So if I am interpreting correctly if I bluff into an opponent and he calls my options are to:

a. show my hand first
b. muck and concede the pot without seeing the opponents cards first (in this case assuming only one opponent remains...is he still obligated to show his hand or not?)

Do pros actually go with option b. when it is possible the opponent actually has worse garbage than the bluffer?

If there is only 1 live hand left, they are not obligated to show their cards.

[win diesel]

Originally Posted by tesla_styx

So if I am interpreting correctly if I bluff into an opponent and he calls my options are to:

a. show my hand first
b. muck and concede the pot without seeing the opponents cards first (in this case assuming only one opponent remains...is he still obligated to show his hand or not?)

Do pros actually go with option b. when it is possible the opponent actually has worse garbage than the bluffer?

I usually just immediately show as a courtesy. They did pay to see it.

A few times it has happened where I thought I was bluffing and I got called by a worse hand.

[freeman]

WSOP has a new rule "show one, show all": some player like to show one card(usually A) when folding to a bet or raise, it is required to show another card too if asked by anyone at the table.

[Arachn]

Its very unlikely someone calls with a worse hand than the bluff. Generally if I get caught bluffing I'll say something to indicate my hand, and if he immediately turns over his hand, I either muck or table my winner. If he doesn't react to my comment, then I consider myself obligated to show and will. I don't care if I get caught, but I don't like people knowing my starting hand range (assuming I wasn't bluffing preflop).

If its a broadway board you have to show both cards to claim your share of the pot.

Sidebar: if you are playing a split-pot game and you want to claim your half, you need to show your entire hand (eg Omaha H/L have to show all four cards)

[mlschop]

Originally Posted by freeman

WSOP has a new rule "show one, show all": some player like to show one card(usually A) when folding to a bet or raise, it is required to show another card too if asked by anyone at the table.

There are "rules" that have been in place at most casino tournies, but alot of them are consider "bad form" to follow.

1) I don't think the "show one, show all" is new in general (maybe for WSOP?). They've had this at Taj for awhile. In general, I believe if you purposefully show your cards to someone (e.g. You show your hand to a non-active player to your right - saying "Can't believe I'm about to fold this" or something), anyone at the table can ask to see those cards.

2) Anyone can ask to see any hand that makes it to a showdown; mucked or not. This rule is often goes unknown; and those that know it (pros) usually don't take advantage of it due to it being considered "unsportsmanlike."

[rawl316]

Originally Posted by tesla_styx

b. muck and concede the pot without seeing the opponents cards first (in this case assuming only one opponent remains...is he still obligated to show his hand or not?)

Do pros actually go with option b. when it is possible the opponent actually has worse garbage than the bluffer?

if you watch HSP, this happens quite a bit. I remember in season 1, Doyle was trying to bluff ted forrest out of a pot when ted caught a set on the river, but it also brought a flush. Ted just called and doyle goes good call, ted showed his and took the pot.